PRADYUMNA: ”Engage your mind
always in thinking of Me, offer
obeisances and worship Me.
Being completely absorbed in Me,
surely you will come to Me.”
PRABHUPĀDA: So what is the
difficulty? Kṛṣṇa is recommending
these four things: man-manā
bhava, “always think of Me.” You,
man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ.
“You become My devotee.”
Unless you become devotee, you
cannot think of Kṛṣṇa. That is
automatic. If you think of Kṛṣṇa
always, that means you are
devotee. Otherwise, why a
person wastes his time thinking
of Kṛṣṇa? He can think of
business. He can think of so
many other things. Only the
devotee can think of Kṛṣṇa. So if
you think of Kṛṣṇa, then
automatically you become
devotee. Is there any objection?
Who can think of Kṛṣṇa always?
Not always even, think of Kṛṣṇa?
Unless one is devotee? And to
think of Kṛṣṇa, what is the
difficulty? Huh? Is there any
difficulty? To think of Kṛṣṇa?
Thinking power we have got. We
think so many… Our mind is
never vacant. Always think
something. We think of
something always, twenty-four
hours. That is mind’s nature.
So if you simply think of Kṛṣṇa,
then your life becomes
successful. Where is the
difficulty? Hmm? And the result is
mām evaiṣyasi: by following
these principles or thinking of
Kṛṣṇa, which means to become a
devotee… Man-manā bhava mad-
bhakto mad-yājī. Anyone who is
devotee, naturally he’ll worship
Kṛṣṇa. The temple is there, we
worship. Then? Man-manā
bhava, mad-yājī māṁ
namaskuru. And worshiping
Kṛṣṇa means, if you cannot do
anything, you simply go and offer
your obeisances, that’s all. It is
open to everyone. There is no
restriction that such and such
men can come and offer
obeisances. No. Anyone. Māṁ hi
pārtha vyapāśritya ye ’pi syuḥ
pāpa-yonayaḥ [Bg. 9.32]. Even
born in low-grade family, it
doesn’t matter. So where is the
difficulty? That we want to
discuss. To become Kṛṣṇa
conscious, is there any difficulty
for any person anywhere, any
part of the world? Let us discuss
this point. Huh? You sit down
properly. I say you, yes. So,
discuss this point. What is the
difficulty? Why people are not
Kṛṣṇa conscious. But the process
is very simple. Man-manā bhava
mad-bhakto mad-yājī. The result?
Don’t divert your attention. Mām
evaiṣyasi, what is the next line?
DEVOTEE: Mām evaiṣyasi
yuktvaivam.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yuktvaiva, yuktvā
means connected. If you think of
Kṛṣṇa, if you worship Him, offer
obeisance, that means you are
already connected. Yuktvaiva.
What is the yuktvaiva meaning?
DEVOTEE: ABSORBED, BEING
ABSORBED.
PRABHUPĀDA: Then? Read the
whole line.
DEVOTEE: Mām evaiṣyasi
yuktvaivam ātmānaṁ mat-
parāyaṇaḥ.
PRABHUPĀDA: Ātmānam means
Kṛṣṇa. He’s the Supreme ātmā.
Just like we love ātmā, every one
of us. We, if there is some
danger, then immediately we try
to protect ourself, protect this
body from danger. Why? Why do
you want to protect this body
from danger? What is the reason.
BHAGAVĀN: They identify the
body as the self and the self is
part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa.
PRABHUPĀDA: That is wrong
conception, but actually, because
I am living within this body, I
want to give protection. This is
the fact. Just like one protects his
country because he lives there.
Protects his house, protects his
property because he has
utilization. Similarly, because we
have got utility for this body, we
give protection. But when the
living entity is no longer there
within this body, there is no
question of protection. It is
thrown away. Even his father,
mother or relatives, they take the
body and throw away. In a
different way, the body is thrown
away. It has no more
importance. So, then ultimately it
comes that you love yourself.
And you love yourself, but the
self is the part and parcel of the
Supreme Self. Therefore you love
yourself because you love the
Supreme Self. So therefore,
ātmānaṁ mat-parāyaṇaḥ.
Actually, everyone has got the
loving propensity because he
loves Kṛṣṇa. That is natural. So
Kṛṣṇa says that simply by
following this process, man-manā
bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī.
Mām evaiṣyasi, you are trying to
find out the supreme loveable
object. So mām evaiṣyasi, come
and let us live, loving one
another. This is the goal of life.
Every one of us, we love Kṛṣṇa,
but we are missing Him.
Therefore we are placing our
loving propensity wrongly, here,
there, here, there, here, there,
and we are becoming frustrated.
Kṛṣṇa says that “If you simply
follow this process, man-manā
bhava mad-bhaktaḥ, you come to
Me, come to your original lover.”
So where is the difficulty? To
attain the highest perfection of
life, where is the difficulty?
Anyone can say that “Here is the
difficulty”?
DEVOTEE: You explain in
Bhāgavatam, Śrīla Prabhupāda:
Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ
tayāpaḥrta-cetasām. “To those
who are too attached to material
enjoyment and material opulence
the devotional service cannot
take place.” This can be one
difficulty.
PRABHUPĀDA: Because we want
material happiness, therefore
there is difficulty. So, material
happiness, you have got
experience, it cannot give us
satisfaction. The big, big
countries, America, in Europe,
and so many, they have
advanced in material happiness,
but actually they are not happy.
Material happiness cannot give us
happiness. Happiness, when we
actually come to Kṛṣṇa and love
Him… Happiness means also
love. Either you love your family
or your country or your society or
your wife, your children, by
loving there is happiness. But this
loving process is not giving us
happiness. We are becoming
frustrated. Therefore the real
lovable object being Kṛṣṇa, if we
make progress to that point, then
we shall be happy. This is the
point. Mām evaiṣyasi asaṁśayaḥ
[Bg. 18.65]. So if this is
concluded, then where is
difficulty to execute Kṛṣṇa
consciousness? That is my point.
Now it is concluded that if we
come to Kṛṣṇa and love Him,
then that is the highest
perfection of our life. Now to
attain that highest perfection of
life, where is the difficulty? That
is the point I am asking.
BHAGAVĀN: Only if one is
envious of Kṛṣṇa.
PRABHUPĀDA: Huh? Then there
is no question of love, that is
another thing, but if you actually
want to love Kṛṣṇa, where is the
difficulty?
DEVOTEES: THERE IS NO
DIFFICULTY.
PRABHUPĀDA: That is my point.
(laughter) If you don’t want to
love somebody, then there is no
question of process. But if you
know, by loving such and such
person you’ll be happy, then
there is process and the process
is very easy. And open to
everyone. That is my point. Now
discuss on this point.
DEVOTEE: Sometimes devotees,
they want to love Kṛṣṇa, but they
fall down, they can’t seem to ...
PRABHUPĀDA: No, no. They
want to love Kṛṣṇa, but they
divert their love to other things.
That is the difficulty. If you want
to love Kṛṣṇa, then follow this—
man-manā bhava mad-bhakto
mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru. If you
love Kṛṣṇa, then why you are
diverting your attention? You are
worshiping Deity, you are
thinking of loving some woman.
That’s all. Huh? Why you are
diverting? If you love Kṛṣṇa, you
are engaged in Kṛṣṇa’s service,
just decorate nicely. Why you are
diverting your attention? That
means I’m not yet convinced that
by loving Kṛṣṇa I’ll be perfect.
That is the difficulty.
BHAGAVĀN: In the Bhagavad-
gītā Kṛṣṇa says ye yathā māṁ
prapadyante tāṁs tathaiva
bhajāmy aham [Bg. 4.11], as
they surrender…
PRABHUPĀDA: Everything is said
there, we are discussing one
point, that, one is, if we are
convinced, that requires
education. Love, we are being
frustrated every point. Now when
the perfectional point we shall
come, that is by loving the
original objective. There are so
many examples. Just like a child,
he is not happy in another
woman’s lap, cries. But as soon
as he comes to the lap of his own
mother, he’s immediately happy.
So, we are trying to be happy so
many ways, but we are not
becoming happy. When we come
to the real point of loving Kṛṣṇa…
Love is there. I want to love
somebody, everyone, but that is
not being properly utilized.
Therefore we are unhappy. So
when you come to the stage of
loving Kṛṣṇa, then you’ll become
happy. This is the point. That is
being instructed by our Kṛṣṇa
consciousness movement. Now to
love Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa never says that
“In order to love Me, you have to
go to the factory or to work
somewhere fifty miles away from
your home.” He does not say all
this. Simply, man-manā bhava
mad-bhakto mad-yājī. The
question may be raised that if I
want to love Kṛṣṇa, then how
other things will go on? This
question may be raised. Kṛṣṇa
never says that “You have to go
to the factory, earn money, and
then you can love me.” He never
makes this condition. Is there any
condition? (laughter) Now
practical person will say “If I
think of Kṛṣṇa always, then
wherefrom money will come?”
This question may be raised. How
you’ll answer it?
BHAGAVĀN: Kṛṣṇa says yoga-
kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham [Bg.
9.22].
PRABHUPĀDA: AH, FIND OUT
THIS VERSE.
BHAGAVĀN:
ananyāś cintayanto māṁ ye
janāḥ paryupāsate teṣāṁ
nityābhiyuktānāṁ yoga-kṣemaṁ
vahāmy aham [Bg. 9.22]
”But those who worship Me with
devotion, meditating on My
transcendental form—to them I
carry what they lack and preserve
what they have.”
PRABHUPĀDA: The same thing.
This meditation is man-manā
bhava mad-bhaktaḥ. Always think
of Kṛṣṇa. So those who are
engaged in this way, always
thinking of Kṛṣṇa, worshiping
Kṛṣṇa, for such persons, Kṛṣṇa
says yoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham
[Bg. 9.22], “I personally carry all
the necessities of life. I personally
carry.” My point is that here in
this New Māyāpura, if you simply
carry on this man-manā bhava
mad-bhaktaḥ, then all your
necessities will come
automatically, don’t bother.
(laughter) That is my point, Yes.
You’ll get sufficient food,
sufficient milk, sufficient fruits,
flowers, all necessities. Simply
you act on behalf of Kṛṣṇa and
think of Kṛṣṇa, and don’t bother
about the necessities of life. It
will be automatically supplied.
Don’t be disturbed from that
point of view. Simply engage
yourself in this business of man-
manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-
yājī māṁ namaskuru. That is my
point.
YOGEŚVARA: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
How are we to determine how
much of our endeavor should be
for our own personal progress?
PRABHUPĀDA: There is no
personal endeavor. There is no
personal endeavor. Just like
these animals, they have no
personal endeavor. They are
depending on you. If you cut his
throat, you can cut. And if you
give him protection, you can give
him. But they, the animals has no
personal endeavor. That is full
surrender. That is our position.
Remain fully surrendered to
Kṛṣṇa and He’ll give you
protection. That you are thinking,
how the animal will live, how
these children will live. It is not
the children’s business, not the
animal’s business. He is fully
surrendered, that’s all. Man-manā
bhava mad-bhaktaḥ. Other things
will be done. Kṛṣṇa says yoga-
kṣemaṁ vahāmy aham [Bg.
9.22] “I shall do that.” Why your
personal endeavor?
YOGEŚVARA: Sometimes if we
are faced with a service we think
is beyond our means.
PRABHUPĀDA: Huh? Where is
that? Man-manā bhava mad-
bhaktaḥ is beyond your means?
That we have already discussed.
It is not beyond your means. If
you think of Kṛṣṇa who can check
it? Why do you say beyond your
means?
BHAGAVĀN: Ahaituky apratihatā.
It cannot be checked.
PRABHUPĀDA: It cannot be
checked. Ahaituky apratihatā.
There is no question of checking.
DEVOTEE: If somehow, Śrīla
Prabhupāda, someone falls
down, does that mean that he
did not want to love Kṛṣṇa?
PRABHUPĀDA: YES.
DEVOTEE: If someone is doing
some service which involves
business, is he thinking of Kṛṣṇa
when he’s thinking of that
service?
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, if he’s doing
for Kṛṣṇa, he must be thinking of
Kṛṣṇa. Just like somebody works
in business or factory for the wife
and children, he always thinks of
them. Although he’s working in
the factory or business, he’s
thinking of the welfare of his
wife, children, family. Similarly, if
you actually work for Kṛṣṇa, you’ll
think of Kṛṣṇa.
BHŪGARBHA: How can a person
with all material desires develop
desire to love Kṛṣṇa?
PRABHUPĀDA: Material means
that you love more Kṛṣṇa,
automatically material desires will
be finished. Because you do not
love Kṛṣṇa cent percent,
therefore material desires. The
balance is filled up by material
desires. Just like in a glass there
is some ink. And if you fill up with
water, the full glass, the ink will
vanish, there will be no more ink.
It will all, all white. This is the
way. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo
viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].
To love Kṛṣṇa means you have no
more material desire. The
percentage you are lacking Kṛṣṇa
love, the percentage material
desires are there. Ye yathā māṁ
prapadyante. If you love Kṛṣṇa
ten percent, then ninety percent
material desire. And if you love
Kṛṣṇa ninety percent, ten percent
material desire. And if you love
Kṛṣṇa cent percent there is no
material desire. This is the way.
So if you love Kṛṣṇa twenty-four
hours, cent percent, simply
thinking of Kṛṣṇa, and offering
obeisances, worshiping, then
where is the possibility of
material desires? There is no
possibility.
So the process is very simple,
man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ,
and all other things, they will
come automatically. Actually
Kṛṣṇa is supplying everything.
Kṛṣṇa is supplying this grass. The
animal will eat. And the animal
will supply you milk. You’ll drink
the milk. So Kṛṣṇa is supplying.
Everything is being supplied by
Kṛṣṇa, actually, but because we
do not know Kṛṣṇa and do not
love Kṛṣṇa, cannot understand.
But supply is being made by
Kṛṣṇa, yoga-kṣemaṁ vahāmy
aham [Bg. 9.22], even for the
nondevotees. So what to speak
of the devotee? It automatically
comes. This is the way. So the
point is there is no difficulty to
become Kṛṣṇa conscious, and the
result is so big that mām
evaiṣyasi asaṁśayaḥ [Bg. 18.65].
Yad gatvā na nivartante tad
dhāma paramaṁ mama [Bg.
15.6]. So for such great benefit
of life, if you simply think of
Kṛṣṇa and become His devotee,
why shall I lose this opportunity?
What is that intelligence?
Therefore unless one is a rascal,
miscreant, lowest of the
mankind, he cannot give up
Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not
possible. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino
mūḍhāḥ prapadyante
narādhamāḥ [Bg. 7.15]. Unless
he is rascal number one, lowest
of the mankind, full of sinful
activities, he cannot avoid Kṛṣṇa
consciousness. That’s all. This is
the position.
BHAGAVĀN: You have given the
analogy that when a person turns
his back to the sun he creates his
shadow. And as he turns towards
the sun the shadow disappears.
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes, that is the
motto of our… Kṛṣṇa sūrya-sama.
Godhead is light, māyā is
nescience.
DEVOTEE: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Does someone, does Kṛṣṇa
punish people who do not serve
Him purely? Or do the people
punish themselves when they do
not serve Him purely?
PRABHUPĀDA: By nature’s…
Nature is acting by Kṛṣṇa’s
indication. So nature will punish
you. As soon as you violate
nature’s law, you’ll be punished,
automatically. Suppose if you,
you are not hungry, you have no
appetite, but if you by force if you
eat, then you’ll increase the
disease. Because you have
violated. There is no appetite, still
you are eating. So you must
suffer. If you have infected some
disease, so you must suffer from
that disease. That nature’s law is
working. Kṛṣṇa hasn’t got to take
any direct action. Nature, māyā,
is there. As soon as you violate
the laws of Kṛṣṇa you’ll be
punished automatically. You
cannot avoid it. Daivī hy eṣā
guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā
[Bg. 7.14]. Cannot avoid.
Therefore those who are trying to
overcome the laws of nature,
that is the so-called modern
scientists” endeavor. That is
foolishness, rascaldom. They
cannot do it. It is not possible.
Just like we are here, we are
given this planet to live, and
there is this moon planet, we can
see. And these rascals try to go
there so many ways. They
refused, “No, you cannot go.”
Live there, go. It is practical. We
see the moon planet is there, we
have got machine, we can go,
but you cannot go. This is laws of
nature. (laughter) This is laws of
nature. This is practically proof.
But they are so rascal, fool, they
are going to another planet. They
do not think with the one planet
we have already failed (laughter).
They are called punaḥ punaś
carvita-carvaṇānām [SB 7.5.30]—
chewing the chewed. They are
being baffled every step, and still
they are trying to overcome the
laws of nature. This is their
foolishness. Narādhama.
Māyayāpahṛta-jñāna. Māyā is so
strong upon them that their so-
called scientific knowledge is
useless. In 1958, when I wrote
that book Easy Journey to Other
Planets, I wrote in that book,
those who have read it, that this
moon planet excursion is simply
childish and waste of time. And
actually it has proved.
So I was not a scientist, neither I
am a scientist. How did I say? I
said on the strength of the
version in the Vedic literature
that it is not possible. You
cannot… We are conditioned. We
are conditioned to remain in a
certain condition, certain
atmosphere. We cannot surpass
that. Just like we are animals of
the land. We cannot go to the
water. And the aquatics, fishes,
they are animals of the water,
they cannot live on the land. Why
these rascals are trying to
overcome the laws of nature?
How foolish rascals they are, just
imagine. Any child can
understand, but these rascals
cannot understand. Their
challenge is that “We are trying
to overcome the laws.” Is it not?
That is their challenge. Therefore
they are rascals. Narādhama.
Māyayāpahṛta-jñāna. They are
attempting in something which
they cannot perform. Therefore
they are rascals. Mūḍha. So
better, to become more and
more mūḍha, better to take to
Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Man-manā
bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī
mām—that will make your live
successful. Why should you
imitate these rascals? Hmm?
What is your saying, what do you
think? We say they are rascals,
what do you think?
YOGEŚVARA: THEY ARE ALL
RASCALS.
PRABHUPĀDA: That’s right.
(laughter) Anyone protest against
this? (laughter) He’ll be another
rascal. Don’t try to overcome the
laws of nature. That is not
possible. You have been given
this land, this planet. Live here.
Grow your food, chant Hare
Kṛṣṇa and live peacefully. Why
should we go to the moon
planet? (laughter) But there is
process. If you want to go, there
is process. Not this that by force I
can go there by machine. That is
not possible, that is not possible.
That is foolishness. Just like I am
Indian. If I want to come to
France, I must take visa, I must
have the passport and so on, so
on. By force, I want to enter, no.
So we have got experience that
by force we cannot do anything.
You must be competent to go
anywhere, provided you qualify
yourself. Yānti deva-vratā devān
pitṝn yānti pitṛ-vratāḥ [Bg. 9.25].
You can go, but not in that way,
that because you have got a tiny
machine you can go. That is not
possible. That is useless. It is not
possible.
DEVOTEE: If someone forces his
mind, Śrīla Prabhupāda, to think
of Kṛṣṇa…
PRABHUPĀDA: That is
foolishness. One who is
controlled by his mind, that is
more foolishness.
DEVOTEE: But if he forces his
mind…
PRABHUPĀDA: That’s… Force or
not force, one who is controlled
by the mind, he’s a rascal. He’s a
rascal. Manorathenāsati dhāvato
bahiḥ harāv abhaktasya kuto
mahad-guṇā manorathenāsati
[SB 5.18.12]. They are driven by
the chariot of mind—useless. No
intelligence. No benefit. But all
these rascal scientists,
philosophers, they are going on
the chariot of the mind, “I think.”
“In my opinion,” This is their…
Manorathena, on the mental
platform. So they’re all foolish.
They have no value. Mental
concoction, useless.
YOGEŚVARA: That means that
our attraction for Kṛṣṇa must be
spontaneous?
PRABHUPĀDA: It is also
spontaneous. You want to love
somebody, but the love is
misplaced, therefore you are
baffled. Replace it to Kṛṣṇa, you’ll
be happy. Love is there, that is
not a new thing. But you are
misplacing the love. That
information we are giving, that
don’t misplace your love. Place
your love to Kṛṣṇa, you’ll be
happy.
DEVOTEE: So we can bring the
mind under control of Kṛṣṇa?
PRABHUPĀDA: Yes. One who is
under the control of Kṛṣṇa, he’s
no more under control of the
mind. Sa vai manaḥ kṛṣṇa-
padāravindayoḥ. Mind is being
controlled. So mind cannot
dictate. Those who are not under
control of Kṛṣṇa, the mind
dictates to him. He’s under the
control of the mind, or senses,
that’s all. So, point is, that be
fixed up in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Don’t disturb yourself by the
material environment, or
enchantment. Be fixed up, chant
Hare Kṛṣṇa, always fixed up, your
mind at the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa.
So far the necessities of life
concerned, that will come
automatically, you’ll never be in
trouble. Go on with this business.
Thank you very much.
DEVOTEES: Jaya Prabhupāda!